Mazin Jamal and Lola explore some of the biggest questions we face today as individuals and as a collective in this thought-provoking, visionary conversation.
What does nature have to teach us about resilience? If we look at racism as a virus, how can it accelerate our collective healing? Mazin also reveals the real roots of the song “Kumbaya” and why it’s far more than a utopian hippie ideal.
Sensitive souls ARE designed for leadership, and we’re going to need every possible tool and resource to rise up and co-create a new, more holistic paradigm. As you listen, may you find yourself more equipped and empowered for your journey.
Topics Covered with Mazin Jamal
- How Mazin and Holistic Underground wants to be a living testimony to the practice of resilience
- Why Mazin relates resilience to being like nature
- How cooperation amidst diversity can create a resilient ecosystem
- Why people at the top of the society tends to have very little empathy and capacity to feel
- How can we look to nature for a model of healthy power
- What made Nelson Mandela, Miriam Makeba, Mya Angelou, Prince, and Mr. Rogers powerful
- How important showing up with compassion is for Mazin and why it is where his power comes from
- Why Knowing yourself and what truly matters is hard for a lot of empaths
- How it’s like for Mazin to grow up between the US, Sudan, and Dubai
- What privilege looks like is different parts of the world where Mazin lived
- The disservice we get when we are idolizing comfort and defaulting to what’s comfortable
- How our experience of fear, discomfort, and being not safe are similar on a nervous system level
- Mazin’s experience in a therapy where they would intentionally bring up trauma
- How the black culture’s arts and creativity is deeply rooted in the suffering and oppresion
- What is the story the song Kumbaya and it’s not just a camp song
- What Lola found out aside from she was shutting down being an empath in her Oaxaca ceremony
- The philosophy behind the Buddhist philosophy of there is no good or bad energy, just energy
- How colluding with the other person’s suffering can make them the victim
- How our resilient choices can steer us away from our worst potentials
- Why the skin color of a person can make him guiltier
Mazin Jamal a Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Skills Trainer, and an integrity coach for successful leaders in social change. Mazin’s work is about creating courageous and compassionate spaces where people are empowered to express who they truly are, and make their greatest contribution to the world.
Mazin has lived and worked in The Bay Area, Sudan, Dubai, Borneo, Ghana and virtually serves leaders in Chile, Egypt, England, Mexico and India. He describes his global experience of connecting with people’s deepest vision for their community in the world as momentously humbling and endlessly inspiring. It gives him the capacity to relate to the identities we are cast into and wear, race, gender, class, culture, etc, beyond the Modern American scope, and help people connect to the vast and ancient ancestry of possibility within all of us.
Mazin believes that being a leader in today’s world is a call to self-mastery on a personal and spiritual level, and collective growth. As the founder of Holistic Underground, he supports the mission of bringing social movement-leaders of different backgrounds together in a space of growth, belonging and purpose. As an artist, he creates medicine music – a sound track for community centered people who want to live life fully.